Forum: Dripping Pen/340 Cipher - November 8, 1969 ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5730939 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:59:47 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5670493 THE FOUR DEFINITE ZODIAC ATTACKS ARE:



1st. Definite Zodiac Attack:

Place: "Lake Herman Road"

Victims: David Faraday, Betty Lou Jensen.

Date: 12/20/68



2nd. Definite Zodiac Attack:

Place: "Blue Rock Springs"

Victims: Mike Mageau, Darlene Ferrin.

Date: 07/05/69



3rd. Definite Zodiac Attack:

Place:"Lake Berryessa"

Victims: Cecelia Shepard, Bryan Hartnell.

Date: 09/27/69



4th. Definite Zodiac Attack:

Place: "Presidio Heights"

Victims: Paul Stine.

Date: 10/11/69



I paid special attention to the dates when this attacks took place:



12/20/68

07/05/69

09/27/69

10/11/69



Next i arranged this numbers in this way:



1+2+2+0+6+8= 19

0+7+0+5+6+9= 27

0+9+2+7+6+9= 33

1+0+1+1+6+9= 18



Ok, now it´s time to connect this numbers: 18, 33, 27, 19 with the some of the evidence in this case:



18-33 "match exactly to the day and year that Arthur Leigh Allen was born acording to his 1971 drivers licence"







27-19 "match to an address number", since 3 of four of the Zodiac attacks happened outdoors the logical thing to do is go for the only definite crime that happens inside city boundaries: "The Paul Stine murder site":



This happened in the corner of Washington St. & Cherry st.



- 2719 Cherry St., San Francisco, CA., USA: This is a very short street comparing to Washington St. and this particular address does not exists according to google maps.



- 2719 Washington St. San Francisco, Ca., USA: This points to an address located exactly on the corner of Washington St & Steiner St, about 13-14 blocks west from the Paul Stine murder scene.







If we draw a line "using google maps technology" from Washington St & Cherry St to 2719 Washington St. we get something like this:







Ok, now lets zoom out 3 to 4 times ( this will depends on your computer pixels resolution )



The goal is to draw an imaginary line from point B to point A and extend it all the way to Mount Diablo.





Click on image to see it large:







As you know Mount Diablo was a Zodiac reference point, in the June 26 1970 Button letter Zodiac includes a phillips 66 road map: ( see the picture below )







Brief history about this particular site:



Mount Diablo was name after General Mariano G Vallejo in an 1850 report to the legislature, gave the derivation of the name: MT DIABLO from its native american to spanish to anglo form.







Now Vallejo city in California was named after general Mariano G Vallejo and the nearby city of Benicia is named for his wife ( Neé Francisca Benicia Carrillo )



This fact it´s connected to the Arthur Leigh Allen´s driver´s licence filed as evidence:







Conclusion

Forum: General Discussion ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5670493 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:02:52 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5557780


here's some silly homework I did on the original decoded z340 ciphertext in hope to produce a more plausible and coherent plaintext. I've tried to ignore any presumed zodiac-symbol based transpositions ruleset. The zodiac-symbols maybe used to extend the alphabet to prevent literal repetition and ensure more entropy in the ciphertext. Some repeating glyphs suggest the existence of such a ruleset (transpositions like literal sliding, literal duplication, append next literals in reversed odd/even order< and literal rotation of the whole sentence).



I've substituted a few literals from the original decoded ciphertext as I found some were out of order like )(> ;-) The plaintext


anagrams.. the sea of possibilities :-)





1E ANDIGIVETHEMTHEIR



2E HELLTOOBLASTTHESE



3E EVILSLEUTHSTOHELL



and I give them their hell too, blast these evil sleuths to hell



4E SEEREALNAMESBELOW



        5E IFISTILLSMELLRAPE

        5E STILLSMELLRAPEIFI

5E IMAFITPILLSSELLER

5E ISTILLSMELLRAPEIF



see real names below,

I'm a fitpills seller

                                        still smell rape if I

EATNMRCHOPPEDMEAT

EAT??RCHOPPEDMEAT

eat ??r chopped meat        



       

6E NAMEDTOPETERCHAMP

named to Peter Champ

       

some alternatives (13 literals after the anagram of "name")



NAMEdepmarcotpeth

NAMEdepthomtcarpe

NAMEcadetpmthorpe



        named to Peter Champ

6E NAMEDMARCOTHETEPP





6E ATEMRNMAPTHEPCODE



at EMRN, map the PCODE

6E ACOPNAMEDPETERTHM



A cop named Peter THM (Thom?)

7E TOALLBUSINESIHELD



To all busines(speling) I held

8E THESEFOOLSHALLSEE



These fool(s) shall see

9E MEKILLKURTASLAST?



me kill Kurt/Turk as last?

kill me Kurt/Turk as last?



10 ANDSTOPBULLDEALSL



and stop bull-deals. +L

11 IKEALLRITUALSEATO

       

       

12 RILLTASTEALIttLEV

        RILLTASTEALIapLE*



NB. line 12 differs from interpretation

org. ETVARSIETTAILLLLT

or         ET*ARSIEATAILLLLP

       

"Like all rituals eat o(continued r) I'll taste a litttle * (faulty interpreted literal?)        



*cont'd



        13 *MEATSPOILSHnRALL ..**of

MAESSOLHIAPL*TNMR

       

        * spoil all her meat s..

       

        14 HE APHNEAAKL*BALLL



       

       



time's up, hope you found this amusing



regards,

C

Forum: Dripping Pen/340 Cipher - November 8, 1969 ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5557780 Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:33:45 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5470545
please allow me first two simple assumptions:



1.         To Zodiac, the first victim was the most relevant one.

Every serial killer has his first killing and in most cases it is something special even to him. At least if he isn´t medically insane. Most times, he has a strong emotional intention why he performs his first killing. Just later on the inhibition threshold gets less and motives of killing may have become even irrelevant.



2.         Zodiac had a crystal clear motivation for his (first) killing.

All codes, letters and killings later-on have been a further sequence of his disgraceful action. Letters and killings made this case just more and more complicated, maybe it was even his attention to confuse the public. Serial killers sometimes continue killing just to hide their first deed.



So I´d like to focus on the first killing we know about. Although there are some indications that the first killing might have been the one of Robert Domingos and Linda Edwards there are some hints that this killing has not been done by Zodiac (I won´t exclude either theory):

Pro:

-         Shooting students with a .22 caliber (like Lake Hermann) in the back of the kids while fleeing

-         Remote location close to water

-         Rope, knife, burning issues

Contra:

-         No letters, calls

-         Cutting of the bathing suit

-         Placing body of Edwards face-up on the one of Domingos

-         Trial to hide the bodies

I kept my eyes on Cheri Jo Bates as the first killing of Zodiac. At this point of time letters, ciphers and calls have started. Even if there has been a connection between Zodiac and Domingos/Edwards, for some reasons I believe that Zodiac knew Cheri Jo Bates at least, but let´s go on:

After excessive attempts to solve the ‚Button Letter‘ cipher as well as the ‚Dripping Pen Card‘ cipher, I finally had to give up. Meanwhile I believe that these ciphers are only of little value as Zodiac helped us much more with his most provoking ‘My name is’ letter as well as with his confession letter (which is related to Cheri Jo Bates).

One thing seems to be obvious: He liked to play games (and maybe still does). If he ever told us his name, he did it in the cipher of the ‘My name is’ letter. On first sight, it seems impossible to solve this cipher - and Zodiac as the creator of the cipher was fully aware of that. He could feel safe about his identity and could therefore use his real name.

So I focused on this cipher and - on a closer look - we all know some facts about it:



a.         13 letters won´t tell anything about the length of his first, last or middle name. It doesn´t even tell us if his name is written as two or three words. I´d like to mention that Karen, the babysitter of Darlene Ferrin, due to a police report of Jim Husted remembered the name of the man at Derlene´s painting party as following:



“The first name was very short, three or four letters and the second name was just slightly longer. The name was quite common."



b.         The ‘magic 8’ letter that appears three times in the cipher is positioned centrally in the middle of the cipher on place 5, 7 and 9, which seems to be quite untypical. Assuming that ‘magic 8’ stands for a vowel makes it quite difficult to create any text as most of the words don’t sound like ‘takana’, ‘molomo’ or similar. Further many first names end or start with a consonant, which even would make it worse (making names sound like ‘Arthur Uluntah’ or so). A simple abnormality that still could be explainable with the right two words adjoining each other, no matter if ‘magic 8’ stands for a vowel or a consonant.



c.         Now it´s getting even worse: Also symmetric, on position 3 and 11 we have the same letter as well (‘N’) making almost 50% of the cipher symmetric. Reading with a mirror? Makes no sense to me, there must be another solution.



d.         Finally the symbols ‘A’, ‘N’ and ‘M’ show up twice in the cipher, all three at the end.



This seemed like b******t even to me, so while trying to solve the cipher my mind came up with multiple thoughts regarding Zodiac´s personality:



•         Killing of Cheri Jo Bates in Riverside always seemed to be a Zodiac one, if not the first killing activity of Zodiac. At this point of time, nobody could yet know how many victims would have followed. However his killing clearly is identifiable as a Zodiac one because of a simple but very unusual fact: Letters have been sent to the press as well as to Cheri Jo Bates´ father. Also the handwriting on the envelopes seems plausible, although the letter writing itself could have been done e.g. a child or in an erratic status of strong emotions. In typical ‘Zodiac style’ envelopes show up with ‘ to the editor’ so I think there is almost no doubt that it has been a Zodiac killing. (For the number freaks: Riverside City College has been founded on a 13th of March, so did Zodiac send a letter in 1971 on the same date)



•         Zodiac knew Cheri Jo Bates. Why? The letters have been sent to Mr. Joseph Bates. Not only did Zodiac know the name and address of her father but did he seem to be informed about her living status (mother lived separated, otherwise he might have addressed to both of them). Further in the ‘Confession Letter’ from 29th of November 1966, Zodiac clearly states that he had stalked Cheri Jo Bates for years.



Although the confession letter might not have been typed with the same typewriter like the Zodiac card from 5th October 1970 (btw, it is said that the confession letter has been copy-typed and it has been sent 30 days after the killing - according to a moon phase?), Zodiac mentions his most concrete points leading to his person ever. He never again gave us so much detailed information about himself:



o         MAYBE SHE WILL BE THE BEAUTIFUL BLOND THAT BABYSITS NEAR THE LITTLE STORE AND WALKS DOWN THE DARK ALLEY EACH EVENING ABOUT SEVEN.

Zodiac mentions clearly a potential victim in the area. Which store? Which blonde? Which dark alley? We probably will never know (although Karen from Darlene Ferrin was a babysitter as well). But let´s go on:



o         OR MAYBE SHE WILL BE THE SHAPELY BRUNETT THAT SAID NO WHEN I ASKED HER FOR A DATE IN HIGH SCHOOL.

Have you been looking for ‘reasons’ of his killing actions? This is it! A simple ego problem! We probably also will never find out the brunette’s identity. Then Zodiac tries to confuse us as the readers of his confession letter:

o         BUT MAYBE IT WILL NOT BE EITHER. BUT I SHALL CUT OFF HER FEMALE PARTS AND DEPOSIT THEM FOR THE WHOLE CITY TO SEE. SO DON'T MAKE IT TO EASY FOR ME. KEEP YOUR SISTERS, DAUGHTERS, AND WIVES OFF THE STREETS AND ALLEYS.

Let´s not forget that he knew the family Bates by name. Now he simply try to confuse by telling us that it could hit any woman (except grannies, maybe). Although he tried to avoid her first name as well (‘She had to die’), he tries to confuse us again and wants to make us believe that he has not been close to her:

o         MISS BATES WAS STUPID.

But after some nasty text about the killing he continues:

o         I WAITED FOR HER IN THE LIBRARY (…) WHEN WE WERE AWAY FROM THE LIBRARY WALKING



…instead of ‘…when I walked with her away from the library’. He had access to the library and obviously accompanied her from the manipulated car to the killing place. Now it´s getting exciting:



o         (…) FELT WARM AND VERY FIRM UNDER MY HANDS, BUT ONLY ONE THING WAS ON MY MIND. MAKING HER PAY FOR ALL THE BRUSH OFFS THAT SHE HAD GIVEN ME DURING THE YEARS PRIOR. (…) I AM STALKING YOUR GIRLS NOW.

This is the essential key - not only that his feelings for her have been at sentimentally or sexually; his prior motivation is not to kill any girl but to kill exclusively Cheri Jo Bates, the girl that gave him brush-offs for years! Only her! And later-on the others who gave him brush-offs. Maybe also Linda Edwards has been one of them! Zodiac killed Cheri Jo Bates for the brush-offs that she had given him during the years prior!

He couldn´t possess her, so that´s why he killed her.

Not only she did refuse him, so did the blonde and the brunette and many others. But about Cheri we know that he had ‘suffered’ these brush-offs for a longer time period. I wish I could talk to some of Cheri Jo Bates’ schoolmates about this.

Zodiacs interest in Cher Jo Bates was not a short-term interest. His ‘suffering’ went on for years and is only what he felt and of course no excuse at all.

But where did Zodiac know Cheri Jo Bates from?

Want an idea?

Ramona High.

Ramona High has been the school Cheri Jo Bates went to before she got to Riverside City College. Ramona High was (almost) the only place where Zodiac could´ve met Cheri for ‘years prior’.

The desktop poem in the library of Riverside City College has been signed with an ‘rh’. It stands for everything else but Zodiacs personal initials – these initials stand either for RH Bradshaw, Director of Riverside City College, or simply for Ramona High. At that point of time, risk to be found among the students by figuring out the initials was too high. So instead his own initials he took the initials of the director or his old school which at that time might have been the only thing left that connected him to Cheri. Zodiac might have stalked Cheri for years and have there also been rumors of discussions at Riverside City College just days before her killing. Maybe Zodiac didn´t make it on Riverside City College?

But back to the ‘My Name is’ cipher:

If you take a look in the 1964 yearbook of Ramona High, you’ll find a Zodiac symbol in one of its student drawings (http://www.zodiackiller.com/CrossCircle.html). Not only motivated by the sign, the killer rather presumably might have drawn it by himself (for the first time in his life?). He therefore has been a classmate or school colleague of Cheri Jo Bates, Zodiac was a member of Ramona High (don´t forget the ‘fellow student’ signature of the Patricia Hautz letter, no clue if she wrote it for him or herself or even not at all).

Now let´s do the homework:

On website http://www.mylife.com is a source to look-up the 324 kids having graduated from Ramona High from 1962 to 1966. Which of these names is matching the symmetric cipher repeating some of the letters at the end? The one with the triple ‘magic 8’s? Some names almost match like Margaret Anaya, Olga Paramo or Steve Wells. But all of them might match the triple ‘magic 8’s but are either too short to fit in the 13-letter-cipher or don´t match with the ‘N’, ‘A’ or the ‘M’ as well. ). Only one name matches 92%:

JOHN EVERETH JR

Zodiac again. In each cipher he had sent over the years he tried to confuse by making errors in the code (‘The Cofession letter’ ). John Evereth might be written with an h, but John Everett Jr. is the real name of Cheri Jo Bates’ schoolmate. It might be interesting to have a closer look in the yearbook (1964/65).



John Everett Jr.

John Everett Jr…a name which perfectly fits in Zodiac style to the ‘My name is’ cipher. John Everett Jr. from ‘rh’, Ramona High - the school where Zodiac met Cheri and had received all the brush-offs he mentioned later on in his confession letter.

While Bates family lived just around the corner of Ramona High (4195 Vía San Jose, the address on the envelope of the letter sent to Mr. Bates), there are at least two indications of where John Evereth Jr. used to live (or still lives):

a.)         Radaris.com shows up with 6473 1/2 Valley Drive, 92505 Riverside. This place is only about five miles away from Bates’ home. John Everett Jr.´s way to school must have been Arlington Avenue, then Jefferson Street to Magnolia Avenue. Cheri´s way to Ramona high was Jefferson Street as well; for about 800m Zodiac and John had the same way to school (does Jefferson Elementary school around the corner play any role? I read that Zodiac used Jefferson postage..double postage often, Z trademark? Cheri and John walking on Jefferson?). By the way, Radaris also offers a phone number: (909) 785-8909. Please don´t call as it could lead to some reactions we definitely don´t want if we are looking for a clean solution of the case (http://radaris.com/p/John/Everett/CA/)



b.)         Mylife.com shows up with the city Murietta which is less than 40 miles away from Ramona High and therefore is close to Riverside as well

His name is short and common.

His first name has only four letters.

His last name is even slightly longer.

His full name due to year book has 13 letters.

His name matches the ‘My name is’ cipher.

His school was Ramona High.

He lived close to Cheri Jo Bates.

He had the same way to school.

He might have had access to the Riverside College Library.

He signed the desktop poem with ‘rh’

He knew Mr. Bates and his address.

His letter has been stamped in Riverside.



Zodiacs Timex watch

Zodiac had lost a Timex watch at the crime scene and have there been some discussions if Zodiac might have had a closer relationship to Europe, Great Britain or a military base (due to his boots…what about Riverside municipal airport? Maybe his father was specialized in codes? We already know his name..John Everett Sr.).

Somebody claimed that the Timex had a British serial number on it, interesting although I haven´t seen any proof for that. By the way, was it an automatic? Energy could have had run out easily hours before the crime…



Is Zodiac still active?

There is a letter which – some might laugh on me – has an incredibly perfect handwriting of the Zodiac. It has been sent on 29th of September 2009 to a record label (http://www.zodiackillerrecords.com/). It might be a fake of course, if so the handwriting especially of the Z has been done perfect.

Further in an internet chat some guy mentioned the Zodiac movie being among the best movies at all (‘My personal favorite this year was "Zodiac"). Guess who answered on a 30th of December? Someone calling himself John Everett. His comment? ‘Great video’.



Conclusion.

Until now I haven´t done any further research on these information. However I found it quite difficult to find any name matching the ‘My name is’ cipher at all. For weeks I used to try thousands of names from diverse name lists, believe me it is almost impossible to find a match that can be connected to the Zodiac cases. For those who don´t trust my theory, you might want to have a closer look on Californian e.g. Riverside prison inmates matching the cipher.

To me, John Everett is some sort of a match. And definitely not a bad one.

Maybe John Everett still lives at 6473 Valley Drive.

Maybe he moved to Murietta.

My most funny theory about John Everett today is that he operates a senior Jazz band called ‘John Everett´s Red Dragon Jazzmen’.

They play songs like the ‘Hiawatha Rag’, ‘It´s a sin to tell a lie’ or ‘Down by the Riverside’. Or ‘The great escape’.

By the way, they have their own CD as well. It´s called Riverside. Nice drawings on the cover. A few little red dragons are on it. Remember the ‘Dragon card’ from 28th of April 1970?.

You might want to have a closer look at the tails of the dragons..because they have the same triangle ends on it similar to the one on the ‘Dragon Card’. Although the dragons had become smoother over the time, the triangle tail is there.

Zodiac might have been an artist. A painter (remember the paint on the Timex?) for walls, movie posters or even postcards and CD covers. Eventually he is now playing at a senior Jazz band.

Would be great to hear about your comments and actions on it.









Some links:

http://zodiackiller.21.forumer.com/a/posts.php?topic=2611&start=0

http://mk-zodiac.com/TheOriginofthePoemTheTaftTheory.html

http://mk-zodiac.com/TheMostDangerousGameThatTheZodiacPlayed.html

http://www.zodiologists.com/hautz_letter_interpretation.html

http://zodiackillersolved.blogspot.com/2008/12/340-cipher-solution.html

http://www.zodiackiller.com/BatesDNA.html

http://www.zodiackiller.com/discus/messages/25/130.html?1164927557

http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2007/12/my_10_best_list_movie_wga_stri.html

http://parktimes.com/sections/spain/flume/spflsign.jpg

Forum: My name is - April 20, 1970 ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5470545 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:17:04 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5445676


1st: The author claims to have pulled the middle wire from the distributor, and the police claim this fact was not released to the public prior to receiving the confession. The fact that the "middle" wire was pulled may not have been released but the information that a distributor wire had been pulled WAS released, and guessing that it was the middle wire would have been easy, especially during the 1960's when every hometown American boy knew a little about fixing cars.



2nd: The author states that he waited for her in the library and followed her out after about two minutes. It is highly unlikely that the murderer would disable her vehicle so close to the time that the library would close. Two minutes? Anyone wishing to disable a vehicle without getting caught would most certainly have disabled the vehicle earlier.



3rd: The battery must have been about dead by then. offered to help. This statement alludes to the possibility that the author was not present at the time of the murder. Had he actually followed Ms. Bates outside, he would have been in close proximity to her and would have been able to observe her trying to start her vehicle. The killer would SURELY have know the battery was dead, but the author only BELIEVES it "must have been dead."



4th: The author states that his vehicle was down the street, he would give Bates a ride home, and they were walking away from the library. The books on the seat, the keys in the ignition, and the windows down are indicative of someone planning to return to the vehicle if they were in fact leaving. It would be difficult to accost someone from a vehicle without being seen or heard so I do believe Bates walked away from her vehicle, but not to get a ride home. She took her bag with change but left her books and keys. She more than likely was leaving in search of a pay phone to call her father.



5th: The author claims to have placed one hand over her mouth and the other hand with a knife against her throat. But yet her breasts felt very warm and firm under his hands. Unless he had FOUR hands, this would have been impossible. I believe the author of the letter inserted that part for his OWN sexual gratification while composing the letter.



6th: The author wanted to make her pay for the brush offs she had given him during the years prior. If we are to believe that, then that would indicate that the killer knew Ms. Bates. Surely she would have said something to one of her friends if someone was continuously trying to meet her. And that point alone would surely have reduced the suspect pool. No physical evidence could be matched to ANY boy in Ms. Bates past so none of them were the killers, but one of them surely could have written the confession.



7th: "I plunged the knife into her and it broke." This was the only part of the letter that seemed out of place. Everyone knows she was stabbed so the use of a knife was no secret. There was no indication that the knife broke in any of the reports or at the crime scene. The knife had a three inch blade and I would deduce it was a folding pocket knife, which was popular at the time. The latch on the knife may have broke causing the blade to fold while stabbing, cutting the assailant. That may be how the killer was injured enough to drop blood at the scene while leaving. Scratches from Ms. Bates' were surely not deep enough to cause "dripping" blood. The loss of the locking action would also have caused the killer to change from stabbing her, to slashing her throat. No one, not even the police, could have known that the knife had broke so there really was no point in putting that fact in the letter. If there were not so many faults in the letter, I would guess that the author WAS the killer. However, there are too many fallacies so I believe the author of the confession claimed the knife broke to add credence to his "confession", believing that a "broken knife" claim would not be proven nor disproven, and would appear as an intimate detail in the letter (something only the killer would know.)



Conclusion: Inconclusive, but it appears to me at this time to NOT have been written by the killer.

Forum: Confession Letter November 29, 1966 ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5445676 Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:18:23 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5439094


1) The overall pattern of the letters are different from Zodiac letters (type of paper, writing tool, signature).



2) The author deliberately tried to disguise his writing, but I don't recall the Zodiac ever doing that. The writing style of the letters is indicative of someone writing with the recessive hand (opposite hand he would normally write with). The Zodiacs handwriting varied between neat and sloppy, but not discrete.



3) The Zodiac distanced himself from his victims (those teenagers, that cab driver, the woman and her baby) but the author of these letters gets personal. Not only is Ms. Bates mentioned by name, but a letter is sent to the father as well.



I am discounting these letters as having anything to do with the Zodiac, at least for now.

Forum: Bates Had To Die - April 30, 1967 ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5439094 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:18:03 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5385073


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/05/MNOB1K4FR2.DTL

Forum: Online Resources ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5385073 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:08:04 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5191764


There is some very coincidental, yet compelling details that I have been working on for the past year. This man, bound, raped and tortured my child and she described very graphic murder scenes... the police never listened to me, but I have since gotten a lot of medical reports, etc, but they still don't care!



http://zodiackillernorth.blogspot.com/



http://www.highwayoftears.ca/



http://www.missingpeople.net/vancouver_missing_women.htm



New enlarged photo shows more clarity in how BC Serial Killer suspect and Zodiac composite appear to match http://t.co/xbCERMQ



New enlarged photo show's suspect wearing the same watch found at the murder scene of Cheri Jo Bates http://t.co/q3nDbbc



New Handwriting sample shows striking similiarities to Zodiac's writing on car door http://t.co/Opu0LU1



New Photo shows suspect with a pen light in his shirt pocket, as Zodiac used as a scope on his gun in the dark http://t.co/W85EMiI



Composite of Highway of Tears suspect resembles a young Henning in 1974, the same year Zodiac went out of site in US http://t.co/oCTd5NG

Forum: General Discussion ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5191764 Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:52:18 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5140490 Forum: Sexual Nature of the Zodiac ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5140490 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:07:19 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5111921


Sort of a "I know you saw me" type of thing.



THE DAY AFTER STINE WAS KILLED, this was in the S.F. Chronicle. THEN, Zodiac wrote of getting school kids.



http://zodiackiller.com/PSNA1.html



Zodiac later jokes about how he would never have done that. A pissed off threat in the heat of the moment?

Forum: School children make nice targets - October 13, 1969 ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5111921 Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:24:43 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5093740


They are almost identical to what Zodiac wrote. This version was on a record which was available at that time. I truly believe he listened to this record.



I too went off of only what I heard..so I did my best.



***



As some day it may happen that a victim must be found

I've got a little list I've got a little list



Of society offenders who might well be underground

and who never would be missed who never would be missed



There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs,

all people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs.



And all children who are up in dates and floor you with 'em flat,

and all persons who when shaking hands shake hands with you like that.



And all third persons who are spirling(?)tete a tetes (thanks Tracers) insist,

they'd none of them be missed they'd none of them be missed.



There's the banjo serenader and the others of his race.

and the piano-organist, I've got him on the list.



And the people who eat peppermint and puff it in your face,

they never would be missed, they never would be missed.



And the idiout who praises with enthusiastic tone,

all centuries but this and every country but his own.



And the lady from the provinces who dresses like a guy,

and who doesn't think she dances but would rather like to try.



And that singular anomoly, the girl who's never kissed,

I don't think she'd be missed, I'm sure she'd not be missed.



And that nisi prius nuisance who just now is rather rife,

The judicial humorist, I've got him on the list.



All funny fellows, comic men and clowns of private life,

they'd none of them be missed they'd none of them be missed.



An apologetic statesmen of a compromising kind,

such as eh what do you call a thing-a-ma-bob and a like-wise, ah never mind.



And a tut tut tut and whats-his-name, and well, well you know who.

Ah the task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you.



For it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list, for they'd none of them be missed, they'd none of them be missed.





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So...no made up stuff by Zodiac. He didn't create is own version to suit his list. Just a bad rendition of Groucho's Lord High Executioner.

Forum: Torture Letter - July 26, 1970 ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5093740 Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:06:11 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5085973 Forum: General Discussion ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5085973 Thu, 10 Feb 2011 06:33:28 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5068826

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Tahoe27"
I was hoping to better show the location of where Donna was possibly abducted.



In my opinion, it is quite a distance to the parking lot. Unless she was taken through the casino. The back exits were the only way out.



This building has not changed. From what I understand, in 1970, there was a nurses station and a photo lab in the one hallway across from the entrance to the theatres. This remains the same today--except it is now security.



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In this photo, I am standing inside the casino. The door to the right would have been the entrance to the hallway where the nurses stations was located. Just through the exit doors to the right is another exit door (which from what I was told would have been the photo lab), and further up to the right--as you can see--is the other back exit door for what would have been the nurses station. All the big-time acts would play directly behind me. The photo people would take pictures of guests as they went in and were available to purchase later. Elvis would come here a couple of years down the road.







This is a cement like hallway which leads out to the pool area...again, remains exactly the same today.



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The pathway at the bottom of the second to last photo(see link below), by the grass leading towards the pool, would take you to this hallway. You can see the parking lot up and to the left. (via zodiackiller.com):



http://zodiackiller.com/LassSahara.html





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A current view from above:



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Here is the area from the backside parking lot. The treed area is the entrance to the pool. While there is access to another parking lot on the other side, you must go inside another big hallway and then through the hotel to get to it.







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IMO, if she was abducted from her workplace, she walked to the parking lot. Whether threatened by physical harm or coerced, I do believe she walked to that location.

Forum: Donna Lass ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5068826 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 05:41:09 GMT http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5062960


(Note: This post was put on the Kooky Kaufman exposed site belonging to Chris as well as on Tom's board. It has generated some interesting response on Tom's board. I thought some of you good folks would be interested in taking a look.)





Hello everyone:



Having lived in the San Francisco area for over 55 years, I am thoroughly familiar with the city. For some reason, last night I traced what I believe

was the route taken by Stine to the deadly Washington Street destination.



Keep in mind cab drivers know the routes and want to take the quickest way so they can return and pick up another passenger. As I explain the routes, there are two uncertain streets, which we will never know, because only the Zodiac and Stine were aware which street he took - I will point them both out when the time arrives.



At the arrival of Washington, I will present a probable escape route (not necessarily the only one) the killer took with his car. First, let's begin at the corner of Mason and Geary.



Just about 25 feet up on Geary are the Geary and Curran Theaters. It was between the two buildings that Zodiac hailed down a cab.



Geary is a one-way street east. Stine would have taken Geary to Van Ness and made a right hand turn heading north on Van Ness. He would have followed Van Ness to Sacramento Street (one block past California) and made a left-hand turn onto Sacramento. (He would have gone 2 more blocks past Sacramento, Clay and Washington, made a left on Washington, but there is a park which requires a detour about a mile down. Sacramento is the quickest through route west).



Here is where the unknown begins. Stine had two options: he could have continued on Sacramento to Divisadero and made a right hand turn and followed Divisadero to Washington and made a left hand turn.....OR he would have continued on Sacramento to Presidio and made a right hand turn on Presidio to Washington, which would have brought him closer to Washington and Maple (the original destination.)



Everyone knows what happened when he reached Maple - more than likely, someone was walking around, so the killer told Stine to "go up one more block."



These notations are being made because you, the reader, can follow the route on satillite maps from Google and use street view to see the exact sites that Stein encountered. The only difference is it was night time. If you choose to follow Divisadero to Washington, once you pass Broderick, the neighborhood starts looking NICE! Taking Presidio instead bypasses Broderick, so when you make a left on Washington, it is already an expensive area.



Now……..



What happened next? Here is what is most likely…..



We know Zodiac walked down Cherry where he ran into Foukes and Zelms at Jackson Street. The police officers continued towards the crime scene, having been told to look out for a “BMA” (Black Male Adult.)



The killer had to take Jackson to Maple, where he probably parked his car somewhere around there earlier and took the route downtown as explained on Tom’s section under Paul Stine.



It makes sense to assume the killer would want to escape as fast as possible away from the crime scene. Therefore, he would have made a right from Maple (if he parked on that street) to Jackson and followed 5 blocks to Walnut. The previous three blocks were (and are) dead-ends.



From Jackson and Walnut, he would have made a left-hand turn on Walnut and followed to Pacific and made a left on Divisidero. He would have driven on Divisdero to Lombard, where Highway 101 is and made a right-hand turn on Lombard and followed to Richardson street and made a right hand turn, where Richardson continues as Highway 101. Richardson quickly becomes Doyle – streets are the same and the killer would have continued on to the entrance of the Golden Gate Bridge…..quickly paid his 25-cents (the “free direction” plan did not start until 1970 – I commuted the bay bridge every day so I would know)…..



The killer would want to get out of San Francisco as quickly as possible. I do not believe he fled on foot to Julius Kahn Playground or anywhere in the Presidio – after that close encounter with police, he would definitely want to get out of the city by way of the fastest route, which I presented above.



If you have any suggestions or comments, I would love to hear them. Remember, this is the most probable route, but no one knows exactly what happened. One mystery I am puzzled by is why didn’t the killer make Stine drive down to the end of Cherry and shoot him? He hardly would have been noticed!



Just by following the route from Geary and Mason to Washington and Cherry to the escape route makes two things clear:



(1) the killer knew San Francisco very well

(2) this terrible procedure, from parking the car to going downtown to riding the cab back to Washington, was well planned. What the killer did not expect was (1) the possibility of anyone seeing him, which kids across the street from their 3rd floor bedroom window did and (2) the encounter with the police at Jackson Street. Folkes went on record in the Director’s Cut of Fincher’s “Zodiac” stating that they (he and Zelms) should have stopped the man…..good thing they didn’t……the killer had a gun in his pocket and most likely would have shot them both.



Trainmaster

Forum: Paul Lee Stine ]]> http://zodiackillertruth.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=5062960 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:34:50 GMT